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- From: JNavas@NavasGrp.com (John Navas)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: 512Kbps modem developed by Ericsson
- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 01:40:08 GMT
- Organization: The Navas Group of Dublin, CA, USA
- Message-ID: <3172f9fb.2406869@news.pbinet.com>
- References: <4k9grj$q2t@rubens.telebyte.nl> <4k9qem$fnf@sam.inforamp.net> <pjkDpw55L.Czt@netcom.com>
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- [Posted to comp.dcom.modems]
- pjk@netcom.com (Philip J. Koenig) wrote:
-
- >In article <4k9qem$fnf@sam.inforamp.net>,
- >Geoffrey Welsh <crs0794@inforamp.net> wrote:
- >>In article <4k9grj$q2t@rubens.telebyte.nl>,
- >> hong@telebyte.nl (Hong Zhou) wrote:
-
- >>>Hi all,
-
- >>>I have just learned from Australia Financial Review
- >>>that a research Lab of Ericsson in Vianna has developed
- >>>a 512kbps modem for conventional telephone line.
-
- >>>Has anyone else read this spetacular news as well?
-
-
- <yawn> Nothing new here -- see my FAQ on ADSL/SDSL/HDSL.
-
-
- >>I am certain that there is no way to build a modem wich establishes a 512 kbps
- >>data stream over the public switched telephone network, and I am not impressed
- >>by Hayes/PPI's claim that their superior data compression makes their 28.8
- >>modems equivalent to 230.4 kbps devices. ...
-
-
- Agreed -- it's meaningless hype.
-
-
- >>... There are various schemes to get
- >>high rates between the home and the calling office, but they all require
- >>specialized equipment at the phone company's office and one can't establish a
- >>high-speed link just by buying two of the devices and plugging them into phone
- >>jacks anywhere in the world and having one call the other.
-
- >>The reason for my comment on the raw data rate is that most calls though the
- >>public switched telephone network are digitized into a data stream of no more
- >>than 64 kbps, and there's no way to squeeze more than 64 kbps through such a
- >>connection and bring it out recognizably on the other side.
-
-
- Correct.
-
-
- >What you say is perfectly logical given conventional wisdom, etc, and sounds
- >perfectly reasonable.
-
- >However:
-
- >Let me remind you that not so many years ago, people were saying the same
- >kinds of things about *9600 bps* connections, before the concept of
- >encoding multiple bits per baud using phase-shifting, constellations, and
- >so forth had been successfully demonstrated. (I'm speaking re: V.32, there
- >may be some other things predating this with somewhat different means, i.e.
- >PEP, etc.)
-
-
- Those comments suggest a fundamental ignorance of modem technology and
- information theory. Current 33.6 Kbps analog modems will not be
- significantly improved on unless and until the PSTN (telephone network) is
- substantially improved. You might as well tilt at the speed of light with
- hyperspace and worm holes. ;-)
-
- --
- Best regards,
- John mailto:JNavas@NavasGrp.com http://web.aimnet.com/~jnavas/
- 28800 Modem FAQ: http://web.aimnet.com/~jnavas/modem/faq.html
-